SAID IN ADVANCE: This thread should neither conjure up hostilities nor commerce vs. tradition discussions, but remain factual. Thanks!
In fact, it took ONLY 4 years (in my opinion) until the next absolute newcomer to the Bundesliga was determined. It was teased several times, Holstein Kiel once lost a relegation, 1. FC Heidenheim once lost a relegation. But they continued to attack and now it’s clear: 1. FC Heidenheim is the 57th Bundesliga club in history!
1. FC Heidenheim, only founded in 2007 by splitting off the soccer department from Heidenheimer SB, in the 2013/2014 season they were promoted to the 2nd division for the first time (fun fact: all third division climbers this season took the next step in the direction of the Oberhaus: first Darmstadt 98, then RB Leipzig, now with a little delay 1. FC Heidenheim), you have always indicated that you have the potential for the really big hit, now it has worked. This makes the second youngest Bundesliga club of all time from the third smallest first division city of all time (please correct me if I’m wrong) and the first new club from Baden-Württemberg in the Bundesliga since TSG 1899 Hoffenheim in 2008.
There were 65 votes in the last survey in 2019, Holstein Kiel received the most votes at the time with 37%, followed by the now promoted 1. FC Heidenheim with 31%, followed by the (as we now know) failed project Türkgücü Munich 14%, VfL Osnabrück with 8% and Jahn Regensburg with 6%.
Now the cards are being completely reshuffled, who will be the 58th Bundesliga club in history? I’m very interested in what your tips are and if you end up being right (however long it may take).
Will it even be possible for 2 new clubs TOGETHER to get promoted for the first time? Multiple selection is possible
Due to the special situation: All teams (eligible for promotion) in Leagues 2 and 3, those relegated from League 3 (22/23) and all teams that had submitted a license for the 2023/24 third division season and have never played in the 1st Bundesliga are named have (sorted according to final standings 2022/23). As far as I know, there are currently no large, lower-class investor projects in sight. But this time there is also the option to “found a new club after this survey has been prepared”, perhaps the panic-mongers were right a few years ago and something big is coming up for the BuLi in a few years.
As an old statistician, I also brought you a few side notes: (adapted & added to the last survey)
– With Schleswig-Hostein, Saxony-Anhalt and Thuringia, there are 3 federal states that have not yet had a single representative in the all-time table of the 1st Bundesliga.
– Top 50 of the all-time Bundesliga 2 table that have never been top-flight (Source: Wiki)
1. VfL Osnabrück
2. SG Union Solingen
3. FC Erzgebirge Aue
4. FSV Frankfurt
5. SpVgg Bayreuth
6. SV Meppen
7. KSV Hessen Kassel
8. Holstein Kiel
9.SV Sandhausen
10. Eintracht Trier
11. SSV Jahn Regensburg
12. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena
13. Rot-Weiss Ahlen
14. Chemnitz FC
15. Wormatia Worms
16. Freiburg FC
17. FC Bayern Hof
18. Westfalia Herne
19. Wacker Burghausen
20. VfB Oldenburg
21. Black and White Food
22 FC Remscheid
23. 1. SC Göttingen 05
24. SV Rochling Voelklingen
25. VfR Burstadt
26. SC Herford
27. FV 04 Wuerzburg
28. SV Arminia Hanover
29. VfB Luebeck
30 SC Viktoria Cologne
31. Rot-Weiss Lüdenscheid
32. FSV Zwickau
33. Wacker 04 Berlin
34. TuS Koblenz
35. SSV Reutlingen 05
36. FC Pirmasens
37. 1 FC Schweinfurt 05
38. FC Gutersloh
39. KSV Baunatal
40.Victoria Aschaffenburg
41. VfR Aalen
42. SpVgg Erkenschwick
43. SV Wehen Wiesbaden
44th DSC Wanne-Eickel
45. 1 FC Bocholt
46. MTV Ingolstadt (while the other merger club ESV Ingolstadt-Ringsee has no longer had football since the merger, MTV Ingolstadt has had a football department again since 2009)
47. 1. FC Mulheim
48. DJK Gutersloh
49. OSC Bremerhaven
50. Würzburg Kickers
– Top 50 of the largest German cities in Germany (according to population as of 2021 instead of the previous 2017) that have never had a first division football team (source: Wiki)
1. Bonn
2. Wiesbaden
3. How
4. Chemnitz
5. Hall (Saale)
6. Magdeburg
7. Luebeck
8. Erfurt
9. Kassel
10. Hagen
11. Potsdam
12. Hamm
13. Ludwigshafen on the Rhine
14. Mülheim an der Ruhr
15. Oldenburg
16. Osnabrueck
17. Heidelberg
18. Solingen
19. Herne
20. Regensburg
21. Neuss
22. Würzburg
23. Heilbronn
24. Pforzheim
25. Bottrop
26. Göttingen
27. Reutlingen
28. Koblenz
29. Erlangen
30. Bremerhaven
31. Remscheid
32. Bergisch Gladbach
33. Recklinghausen
34. Trier
35. Jena
36. Moers
37. Salzgitter
38. Wins
39. Gutersloh
40. Hildesheim
41. Birth
42. Schwerin
43. Witten
44.Ludwigsburg
45. Esslingen am Neckar
46. Tübingen
47. Iserlohn
48. Duren
49. Do
50. Casting
– Ranking of all previous Bundesliga clubs by federal state (sorted chronologically, debut season by final placement)
1. North Rhine-Westphalia 18
(1. FC Cologne, MSV Duisburg, Borussia Dortmund, FC Schalke 04, Prussia Munster, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Fortuna Düsseldorf, Rot-Weiss Essen, Alemannia Aachen, Rot-Weiss Oberhausen, Arminia Bielefeld, VfL Bochum, Wuppertaler SV, Fortuna Köln, KFC/Bayer 05 Uerdingen, Bayer 04 Leverkusen, SG Wattenscheid 09, SC Paderborn 07)
2. Baden-Württemberg 8 (VfB Stuttgart, Karlsruher SC, Waldhof Mannheim, Stuttgarter Kickers, SC Freiburg, SSV Ulm 1846, TSG 1899 Hoffenheim, 1. FC Heidenheim)
3. Bayern 7 (TSV 1860 Munich, 1. FC Nuremberg, FC Bayern Munich, SpVgg Unterhaching, FC Augsburg, SpVgg Greuther Fürth, FC Ingolstadt 04)
4. Berlin 5 (Hertha BSC, Tasmania Berlin, Tennis Borussia Berlin, Blau-Weiss 90 Berlin, 1. FC Union Berlin)
5. Hessen 3 (Eintracht Frankfurt, Kickers Offenbach, SV Darmstadt 98)
5. Lower Saxony 3 (Eintracht Braunschweig, Hannover 96, VfL Wolfsburg)
5. Saarland 3 (1. FC Saarbrucken, Borussia Neunkirchen, FC 08 Homburg)
5. Saxony 3 (Dynamo Dresden, VfB Leipzig, RB Leipzig)
9. Hamburg 2 (Hamburger SV, FC St. Pauli)
9. Rhineland-Palatinate 2 (1. FC Kaiserslautern, FSV Mainz 05)
11. Bremen 1 (Werder Bremen)
11. Mecklenburg-Vorpommern 1 (Hansa Rostock)
11. Brandenburg 1 (Energy Cottbus)
+ 3 federal states with 0 teams
Top-ranked clubs not belonging to the Bundesliga by federal state (final tables starting situation for the 2022/23 season, excluding 2nd teams):
North Rhine-Westphalia: FC Viktoria Cologne (3rd division)
Baden-Württemberg: SV Sandhausen (relegated 2nd BuLi)
Bavaria: SSV Jahn Regensburg (relegated 2nd BuLi)
Berlin: VSG Altglienicke (ReLi Northeast)
Hesse: SV Wehen Wiesbaden (relegation participant to the 2nd BuLi)
Lower Saxony: VfL Osnabrück (promoted 2nd BuLi)
Saarland: SV Elversberg (promoted 2nd BuLi)
Saxony: Erzgebirge Aue (3rd division)
Hamburg: FC Teutonia 05 Ottensen (ReLi Nord)
Rhineland-Palatinate: TSV SCHOTT Mainz (promoted ReLi Südwest)
Bremen: Bremer SV (season is still ongoing, ReLi Nord may be relegated)
Mecklenburg-West Pomerania: Greifswalder FC (ReLi Northeast)
Brandenburg: SV Babelsberg 03 (ReLi Northeast)
Schleswig-Holstein: Holstein Kiel (2nd BuLi)
Saxony-Anhalt: 1. FC Magdeburg (2. BuLi)
Thuringia: FC Rot-Weiss Erfurt (ReLi Northeast)
Clubs that applied unsuccessfully for the first Bundesliga season 63/64 and then never got promoted (until now) after Oberliga seasons from back then:
North: VfL Osnabrück, Holstein Kiel, Arminia Hanover
West: Westfalia Herne, SC Viktoria Köln, ETB Schwarz-Weiss Essen, Hamborn 07
Southwest: FK Pirmasens, Wormatia Worms, SV Saar 05 Saarbrücken, Sportfreunde 05 Saarbrücken
South: VfR Mannheim, FC Schweinfurt 05, Bayern Hof, TSV Schwaben Augsburg, Hessen Kassel
Clubs that unsuccessfully took part in the promotion round to the Bundesliga between 1963-1974 (the then playoffs of the regional league best to BuLi) and then never got promoted (until now):
Hessen Kassel, FK Pirmasens, SSV Reutlingen, Holstein Kiel, Wormatia Worms, FC Schweinfurt 05, ETB Schwarz-Weiss Essen, Arminia Hanover, Bayern Hof, Göttingen 05, TuS Neuendorf (today TuS Koblenz), SV Alsenborn, Freiburger FC, Hertha Zehlendorf , VfB Lübeck, VfL Osnabrück, Wacker 04 Berlin, Röchling Völklingen
Clubs that have ranked among the top 5 in a final table of the 2nd division at least once since 1974/75 (regardless of the distance to the promotion ranks) and have subsequently never been promoted (until now):
FK Pirmasens, 1. FC Schweinfurt 05, FC Bayern Hof, SpVgg Bayreuth, Westfalia Herne, Wormatia Worms, SC Viktoria Cologne, Hessen Kassel, Union Solingen, VfB Oldenburg, Chemnitzer FC, Carl Zeiss Jena, FSV Zwickau, FC Gütersloh, Erzgebirge Aue , FSV Frankfurt, Holstein Kiel, SSV Jahn Regensburg
German football champions up to 62/63 who never played in the Bundesliga:
Freiburg FC, Holstein Kiel, Dresden SC, VfR Mannheim
And from the former GDR: FSV Zwickau, BSG Chemie Leipzig, Turbine Halle, Rot-Weiss Erfurt, (SC Wismut Karl-Marx-Stadt), 1. FC Frankfurt (successor club to ASK Forward Berlin), Carl-Zeiss Jena, Chemnitz FC, 1. FC Magdeburg, BFC Dynamo
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