According to the ADquation firm’s barometer, published a few weeks ago on Terre-net, 80% of cooperative members have confidence in their cooperative. However, their intervention in agricultural land, in favor of installation, is debated. Among the readers too, since the publication of a series of articles on the subject. Some see it as a way to protect themselves from other profit-seeking investors. Others believe this is also the purpose of co-ops.
On cooperatives, “don’t take your personal experiences for generalities! », times out jpg. (© Terre-net Media)
« En Normandy, we have a coop, with 30,000 employees and lots of subsidiaries, how do you expect it to take farmers’ expectations into consideration? », wonders Guillaume. “On the other hand, if she can get her hands on your farming lands, she will not be embarrassed!, he underlines. She already has some in Kenya for her bean production…”
“(…) If we give them the key to the land, it’s over for the profession! », continues Roxane.
“Everyone has their place,” replies Basta. Grain supply and collection cooperativesthe land owners to decide who they will put in their land!! »
Take control of agricultural land: they won’t get in each other’s way!
“To each his own”
“It’s been a long time since the owner decides who he’s going to put on his land!, contradicts Maxens. Safer, CDOA, etc take care of it!! »
“And it’s not going to get better with the loi Sempastous !!! (…)”, adds Enough.
The coops for supplies and collection, the owners for the land.
“It’s already done!!, replies tintin. We have some mafia cooperatives that appropriate the land of their cooperators through mortgage guarantees. (…) Everyone has their place and above all never trust coops!!! »
jpg does not completely agree: “(…) Mortgage guarantees, the banks put them in place before the coops. There is not a cooperative that has a first rank guarantee on the land. »
“I didn’t say that banks aren’t mafia!! “, respond tintin.
“For their own profit”
” For promote the installation of young farmers !?, s’exclame bibiche. Co-op administrators are big guys, who want to be even bigger…so there’s no question ofinstall a youngunless it’s the son…”
Popeye goes further: “Co-ops created integration. (…) First, they get their hands on the young people who have settled there by providing them with seeds, fertilizers, phytos in the “off-season” as they say, and for the payment, “we’ll see at the harvest” of course! And when it arrives, the young members do not deliver their crops to them. In reality they give them at the down payment!! (…)”
Marius complete: “When they were created, 50 years ago, I was certainly not born, but according to my parents and grandparents, their role was commendable. Now, agricultural cooperatives have distanced themselves from their members and think only of their profits. (…) What are co-ops doing in the sale of agricultural equipment?, garden centers (90% of whose products come from abroad) and now land? Some even buy grain abroad! »
“Rent to hedge funds, or retail?! »
“Some cooperators will rediscover the virtues of cooperatives when it comes time to fill up with nitrogen for their crops! “, quips cleom51.
tractor4 also defends cooperatives: “Cooperatives, like traders, there are good ones and bad ones. It all depends on their statutes, how you work with them, your financing capacity, your storage possibilities and your supply needs, the discussion will not be the same (…) It has always been like this and the will remain, so you should never spit in the soup. (…)”
Everyone is interested in land portage.
jpg also intervenes: “Hey oh, the pack !! Do not take your personal experiences for generalities! 50 years ago when we created cooperatives, it was to put an end to the mistreatment of private individuals. You may have forgotten it, I haven’t! (…) You probably prefer to rent your land to hedge funds or tomorrow perhaps to Leclerc or Auchan because they too are eyeing agricultural land. They already have fleets of fishing boats… (…) Land will be the next step. »
“Everyone is interested in land portage for young farmers, he insists. When we can facilitate access to agricultural land for installation, we do not spit in the soup indeed! That’s for sure (…), we should first double farmers’ incomes and give them priority for access to land, but we can still believe in Santa Claus!! You think the big private groups haven’t already got their hands on it, it’s time to get your head out of the sand and look at reality!!! »
“Preparing for the future”
PàgraT does not agree: “When the accumulation of personal experiences is substantial, it is good that there is a problem. Nobody denies the reasons for the creation of cooperatives but most of them have changed (…). They have copied the private sector by being less efficient and it is the farmers who pay for their loss of earnings. Not seeing that is keeping your head in the sand!! »
The world has changed, luckily so have cooperatives!
“Fortunately they have changed (…) to prepare for the future because the world has changed!” (…), hammers jpg. The private ones have nothing more effective. Only the size of the company makes it possible to manage tools and labor more efficiently. And the bigger it is, the more difficult it is! »
jpg doesn’t give up: “(…) The cooperatives are the business of the cooperative members. If they are not satisfied with how it works, they have the power to take back control. I can give you the recent example of a large cooperative where it happened like that. (…)”
The debate is far from over!
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