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■ Broadcast: CBS Radio FM 98.1 (07:20~09:00)
■ Progress: Anchor Hyunjung Kim
■ Interview: Jae-Oh Lee (Executive Advisor to the People’s Strength)
“At the right time, President Moon Jae-in will suggest pardons for two former Presidents Lee Myung-bak and Park Geun-hye.” This remark made by Democratic Party leader Nak-Yeon Lee in the New Year’s interview on January 1 makes the political world buzz. The Democratic Party held an emergency leadership meeting yesterday. An interim conclusion was drawn that’public consensus and reflection of the parties are important’, and today the Supreme Council is likely to discuss this issue again. There is no official response to the people’s power yet. However, the opinions of the lawmakers personally are welcome. What do you think? Let’s check the opinions of the politicians in turn and summarize your opinions. First of all, there is a connection with the standing advisor Lee Jae-oh, the power of the people. Hi, Advisor Jae-oh Lee.
◆ Jaeoh Lee> Hello.
People’s Strength Jae-Oh Lee, Executive Advisor-◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Remarks of CEO Nak-yeon Lee’s amnesty. How did you hear it?
◆ Jae-Oh Lee> Originally, the Blue House and the ruling party’s representatives have different roles, but the Blue House is somehow authoritative, and communication is difficult. Then, the ruling party’s representative is to clear the blockage of the ruling party and correct the curvature. Isn’t Jungkook so smooth right now? In this case, one of the things that the ruling party’s representative must solve the entangled problems with wisdom and courage is public communication and national unity after putting the two former presidents in jail. So, CEO Nak-yeon Lee made a great deal of pain and would suggest pardon. I said this, but wasn’t it very good in itself?
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Are you seeing’It was a good decision’?
◆ Jaeoh Lee> Yes.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> What do you want to check the facts, Advisor Lee. Have you ever discussed this pardon issue between CEO Nak-yeon Lee and former President Lee Myung-bak, in advance?
◆ Jaeoh Lee> That’s not been discussed beforehand. The person who pardons it is not the nature to discuss with us.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Because in some media reports, the person who said it was MB’s greeting gave an interview. ‘We had a discussion, we had a conversation’ like this.
◆ Jae-Oh Lee> The MB’s greeting and interviewing was talking to me, but I have never said that, and I can’t confirm that, and the passport representative Lee Nak-yeon consulted with us in advance, and it’s not the nature of that.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Are you saying that’s not it?
◆ Jaeoh Lee> Yes.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> The official position of the representative Lee Nak-yeon is that’there was no rapport with the Blue House,’ but there are also people who say,’Isn’t you rapport with the president?’ How do you look?
◆ Jae-Oh Lee> Haven’t we gotten into power? When the president of the ruling party talks about that much, it is the procedure for the president of the ruling party to talk about the story in advance with the blue house, aside from the Blue House side and whether the Blue House accepts Lee’s suggestion.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Is there any possibility that you thought,’I think it’s good to have a suggestion once,’ without having to communicate with the Blue House in advance?
◆ Jae-Oh Lee> That’s a minor, insignificant problem. The (problem) that does not affect the state affairs is a problem that can be done by the representative individual, but the president has the right to pardon this problem. I have to tell the person who has the right to amnesty in advance and talk about it. If the ruling party representative just popped up such a story, it would be reckless if you did that.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> But you are saying that you are guessing,’Because CEO Nak-yeon Lee was not such a reckless style, there must have been rapport in the end’.
◆ Jae-Oh Lee> I also represented Nak-yeon Lee and a member of the National Assembly, but he was reckless and he wasn’t the person to do that. He is a person who pats on the stone bridge and goes.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> So anyway, the Democratic Party’s leadership turned upside down after the announcement of proposing this pardon anyway. Yesterday, we gathered and discussed, and yesterday came to an intermediate conclusion like’the people must sympathize with and reflect on the parties’. What do you think of this?
-◆ Jae-Oh Lee> That’s a story where the ruling party’s leadership can now do so just to turn some time around, but it’s a story in which the public’s sympathy and the reflection of the parties all catch up.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Why would you say it’s a story of catching floating clouds?
◆ Jae-Oh Lee> Some people agree with the people and some people disagree, isn’t it? Isn’t it that the people’s consent is that all the people agree or all oppose it? So isn’t it a matter of judgment? Whether in favor or against, the pardon party.
And they say that reflection is important, but they are two presidents, former job. But from the president’s point of view, if you want to reflect, the person who was caught should reflect on it. No, I don’t know if you say I’m sorry because the person to give you has suffered for a long time, but if you don’t know, tell the person inside it that you did it wrong and I’ll let you go. Does this make sense? So this is the story of catching floating clouds.
◇ Kim Hyeon-jung> But, shouldn’t the president also use the right to amnesty only when he or she reflects and apologizes to form a national consensus and a consensus is formed?
◆ Jaeoh Lee> That’s the story of miscellaneous people. I just said it. Isn’t there a consensus among the people in favor and opposition? Whether to agree or disagree is the political decision of the pardoner, and whether or not to reflect is from the perspective of some parties, this can be said so if the person who gives the pardon, but the position of the party receiving the pardon must also be considered. It works.
It is unfair for the parties to live in jail over the past two or three years, but they were arrested for unfair political retaliation. What do you mean, if you want to give it right now, what do you mean? Therefore, the will of the person who gives the amnesty and the thoughts of the people who receive the amnesty have to achieve some consensus, and the person who is amnesty must reflect on me and apologize that I held the handle. Never before.
For example, in the days of Chun Doo-hwan, when President Kim Dae-jung was pardoned, there was no such thing, and even in the days of President Kim Young-sam or Kim Dae-jung, pardons were granted, and political prisoners were pardoned. During the military regime, there was no such thing. We lived in prison for a long time after the democratization movement during the military regime. Then, I am going to be released on 8.15 this time, so write a reflection. A story comes between us. Then I just came out asking what we’ve caught in, what do you guys reflect on, what are we going to reflect on, but that’s the former president, isn’t it?
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> But, Rep. Jae-oh Lee, are you still thinking like that,’I’m regretful, I’m currently imprisoned for political retaliation’?
◆ Lee Jae-oh> Not only former President Lee Myung-bak, but we all think so. Perhaps the people, people who support the Moon regime, who support most of their relatives, may not think so, but all the people who oppose the Moon regime think so.
-◇ Kim Hyun-jung> But this is not just a public opinion trial, hasn’t all the rulings come out in the Supreme Court?
◆ Jaeoh Lee> I mean. You are the former president. But you can’t say the Supreme Court’s ruling, whether the Supreme Court ruling is wrong or wrong. They are all people who have taken power. So you think the Supreme Court judgment is a judgment.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Do you think that’the judgment is just a judgment’? No, it’s a rule of law, so how do you think that’a judgment is a judgment and that’s a political judgment’?
◆ Lee Jae-oh> No, they are not murderers or miscellaneous criminals, but the former presidents who were in charge of the government of one country. Then the Supreme Court ruling is a ruling. It’s not kids, it’s because the Supreme Court ruled, oh, and because I was wrong, where are the people to say? Even miscellaneous criminals don’t think that way.
◇ Kim Hyeon-jeong> Then, do you have any other thoughts like,’There are other political intentions for which CEO Nak-yeon Lee raised this pardon’?
◆ Lee Jae-oh> No, whether he has political intentions or not, he himself, whether he has political intentions or not, that’s not what we are doing, and the problem is that the eighty old woman, who turned 70, is in a prison full of coronavirus. Even under the Criminal Procedure Act, it is a rule to be deceived if it exceeds 70. The principle is to present it. With the suspension of execution.
However, I believe that Nak-yeon Lee, who is in jail, who asks whether or not to pardon them, but the ruling party’s representative sincerely thinks for national unity. This should be considered first. Is there a strategy for this? Thinking about whether there is a political calculation or not is a bit unpleasant for those in jail.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> CEO Nak-Yeon Lee wrote that it is the right time, but when do you think it is the right time for pardon?
◆ Jae-Oh Lee> The right time, amnesty, should be released as soon as possible.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Even a day early? Two former presidents at the same time?
◆ Jae-oh Lee> No, if you want to get out, you have to get out of the two former presidents at the same time. Then would you do it separately?
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Let’s hear your opinions up to this point. Thank you, Jae-Oh Lee, Senior Advisor.
◆ Jaeoh Lee> Yes.
◇ Kim Hyun-jung> Lee Jae-oh, a standing advisor
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