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Quoting RobeR:
I don’t know, I think that not allowing people to vote goes against democracy, and on top of that, coming from where that refusal comes from… than voting for something that is not even binding, it is a simple consultation.

That allowing people to vote is, for many, the problem is really the problem of all this.

Because if in Catalonia we were allowed to hold a referendum, we would go peacefully to the polls as we already did, and it would be a day of celebration and festivity. But it is true that it would be a hard blow to the ego of the fascists who are hurt because their little Spain is breaking up, and I imagine that they would go out into the streets to demonstrate against a democratic act.

Rober, I am not necessarily against the referendum itself, or even the independence of Catalonia or the self-determination of a specific people. In fact, I have a relatively controversial opinion at the state level regarding the results for this independence to take place (that is, I am not looking for an overwhelming majority of 75% or 80% as is being asked for by certain sectors, but literally 51% would be fine for me). What I am against is this being a cheap ideological movement, based on nothing, sheltered by fantasies, as you say, and which at the slightest change becomes a “celebration” or “festive day.” Celebration or festivity of what, exactly? Of Catalan nationalism, of a modern nationalism that has given rise to countless national and community monstrosities? It seems to me then that the question of ego is deeper than we think and is rooted in both sides, unfortunately.

My point here is that I don’t understand the need to even formulate this referendum when we all know that the independence of Catalonia is absolutely unviable and has no real foundations, beyond a certain political peace or, at most, a slight improvement in autonomy (which, like all the CCAA, one can ask if it doesn’t already have too much), with all the economic and political expense that it entails. Is there really no other way to be calm than to pretend? And, if there really isn’t, fine, referendum… But please, let’s not come back in 5-10 years with the same thing, because it’s already starting to seem like the never-ending story.

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