Conte at the Festa del Fatto: “M5s radical in its principles and moderate in its tone. For Meloni, citizenship income is ‘methadone’? Vulgar phrase”

The new path of the M5s inspired by the “radicality of principles” and “moderation of tones”; the “loyalty” to Draghi government, at least as long as we talk about “reforms and the good of the country”; the agreements with the Giallorossi and the fears about the administrative; the vaccination obligation to be considered as an “extrema ratio”. Giuseppe Conte, speaking at the Festa del Fatto newspaper, interviewed by Peter Gomez e Antonio Padellaro, spoke of the present and the future of his 5 star movement. But not only. The former premier also replied to the statements of Giorgia Meloni on the Basic income, pronounced just before the Ambrosetti Forum, which defined the measure of help for those in need “State methadone”: “Obviously I guess Meloni didn’t want to offend”, Conte commented, “I’m not so simplistic and instrumental, but it’s a vulgar, strong expression, while we need to work for inclusion. We must recognize the social dignity of people ”.

“Loyal to Draghi”. Until? “As long as reforms are made that improve the country” – “Now looking behind does not make sense”, was the debut of the former prime minister. “Conte 2 has faced the most acute phase of the pandemic now there is a Draghi government that we support in a fair and constructive way. Let’s cheer for Italy ”. A support that of the M5s that has arrived and continues not without difficulty. “The moment of disorientation was strong, but I immediately had a very clear opinion,” said Conte. “We could have hoped for everything, but not a government crisis in the middle of a pandemic. And when there is a crisis, then you have to deal with it and it is the reason why I understood that we should not turn our backs on the country, not so much on Draghi. It would have slowed down the restart, aggravated the crisis we were experiencing ”. But until, he asked Antonio Padellaro, will the 5 stars be willing to support this executive? “Our limit is in the measures, in the reforms that are good for the country. As long as reforms are made that improve the country, they characterize it from the point of view of ecological transition, we will be convinced to support this government ”. An executive who, Conte acknowledged, “enjoys broad support from the press”: “There is no doubt that some commentators sometimes place an excess of emphasis on this support. I don’t know if this ‘eschatological’ perspective that the government and the president in particular is invested in is doing him good or bad ”. An opposite condition, he said, compared to what he experienced during his months at Palazzo Chigi: “I had the constant and constant criticism of the opposition forces“, Added Conte. But despite this, he hastened to specify, “Draghi is authoritative and adequately representing Italy, we must support him”.

“The new M5s course, radical in its principles and moderate in its tone”. Grill? “We often talk” – In the meantime, said Conte, he left the new M5s course. “The 5 stars have a great merit that even the most critical observers cannot obscure. He made an innovative contribution to a political system that had rested on its laurels. There were also difficulties of the Movement, because this is the third experience “in government” of a force that had to be disruptive. But I am convinced that the M5s may resume its journey interpreting a new course with the radicality of principles, someone speaks of moderation, we will be even more radical than the past on principles. But we will be moderate in tone ”. In other words, he then explained, “the Movement of the vaffa was the Movement of the first hour, the one that had to enter the buildings, had to elbow, force to enter. Today those vehement tones are no longer right, we can argue our reasons and I believe that we must abandon the aggressive tones. Even words hurt, no less than actions ”.

Asked if he feels with Beppe Grillo, with whom he reached a peace last July after weeks of clashes, Conte replied: “Of course I hear Grillo, we often discuss …”. Gomez replied by recalling one of the comedian’s criticisms: “Do you still think he has no managerial skills?” “I never thought that a party or a Movement was a company”, laughed Conte.

The testing ground for voting. “Primavalle? Chosen not to divide the center left so as not to favor Palamara ” – For Conte’s new M5s, the first exam to be faced will be the next administrative ones, an exam that risks not being passed in those territories where the Movement is less rooted. “The M5s has always had difficulties in administrative offices, has had little roots in the territory and historically very modest results”, admitted Conte. “Today it will not be able to change, I will put my face to it and I will go to campaign where maybe we will get 3%”. The 5 stars and its president, as recalled by Peter Gomez, they also chose not to run to the substitutes in Rome, in the Primavalle college. Why not even try the race? “Primavalle was a delicate situation”, “there is a candidacy that you mentioned (Palamara, ed), there is a center-right area that could run for this solution. If in this opposing area we were divided into so many candidates, we would have risked benefiting from this solution “which” we do not want. Since the Democratic Party has nominated one of its party members, we thought it wiser not to intervene to divide the center-left ”.

“Vaccination obligation extrema ratio” – Conte spoke of Draghi’s intention to get to the compulsory vaccination. A theme that has split the League and has already created many discussions within the majority and on which the former prime minister had not yet expressed himself. “We must evaluate the curve, I am in favor of a greater use of the green pass”, he declared, “which leads to vaccination. That said, as to the obligation if it will be necessary, come extrema ratio, we must consider it. Let’s see the evolution of the epidemiological curve and let’s keep ourselves open to all the solutions that guarantee the safety of citizens ”. The former premier then took the defense of the M5s saying that some “malicious commentator wants to crush it on positions ‘no vax’, ‘nì vax’. The M5s managed 12 months of pandemic ”following“ always the scientific advice of the experts ”.

“Security decrees? When I say that a mistake has been made, I take responsibility for it ” – Among the issues raised during the interview, also the recent statements by Giuseppe Conte to the Corriere della sera against the Salvini’s safety decrees. Gomez in fact recalled that he, however, supported those measures as prime minister. “Matteo Salvini has brought some texts on the Security decrees on which we have worked a lot, on this there are many witnesses”, replied Conte. “Compared to the original version we have changed them. But it was not possible to change everything. In particular, the decision to “abolish international protection without a solution or an alternative mechanism” had always aroused perplexity because this “would have meant that hundreds of thousands would have gone out into the street, without any concrete solution”. And so “they became invisible”. But, continued the former premier, “now when today I say that a mistake was made, I do not detach myself from that mistake, I take responsibility for it. But do we mean that it was a mistake? Do we want to say that with regard to repatriation there has been no improvement during Salvini’s management? ”. And speaking of the lower number of landings during the era of the League’s Minister of the Interior, he replied: “Comparisons must be made with respect to political and social contexts. Today Minister Lamorgese found herself in this new phase, after Salvini, with a Covid pandemic, a conflict that exploded after Salvini in Libya and for some time in Tunisia there has been a very serious political and social crisis. These three factors alter migratory flows and we cannot make comparisons ”.

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